Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/08/2003 03:45 PM House JUD

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HJR 20 - REPEALING PROHIBITION ON DEDICATED FUNDS                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0050                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE  announced that the  first order of  business would                                                               
be HOUSE  JOINT RESOLUTION  NO. 20,  Proposing amendments  to the                                                               
Constitution of the State of  Alaska repealing the prohibition on                                                               
dedicated funds.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0058                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ERIC MUSSER, Staff to Representative  Beverly Masek, Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  on behalf  of Representative  Masek, sponsor,  said                                                               
that HJR 20 was introduced to  ask the voting public to support a                                                               
change  in   Article  IX,   Section  7,   of  the   Alaska  State                                                               
Constitution.   Specifically, if  adopted by the  legislature and                                                               
passed  by  the electorate  at  the  next general  election,  the                                                               
amendment  to the  Alaska State  Constitution  would require  all                                                               
motor fuel taxes  generated through the sale of  motor fuels only                                                               
to  be  placed  in  a constitutionally  protected  fund  for  the                                                               
express purpose of maintaining Alaska's roads and highways.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MUSSER noted  that the  Alaska State  Constitution prohibits                                                               
dedicated  funds  except  for the  Alaska  permanent  fund,  when                                                               
required  to receive  federal funds,  or for  dedicated funds  in                                                               
existence prior  to the adoption  of the constitution.   Amending                                                               
Alaska's constitution  should not be taken  lightly, he remarked,                                                               
and  is considered  with great  trepidation.   However, as  state                                                               
revenues continue to decline, the  sponsor believes that Alaskans                                                               
would  be  more  amenable  to   contributing  to  the  effort  of                                                               
maintaining  the  road and  highway  infrastructure  if they  had                                                               
assurances that  the motor  fuel taxes  levied were  utilized for                                                               
that express purpose, he relayed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MUSSER  said  that  motor  fuel  taxes  in  all  states  are                                                               
dedicated in some  fashion for road and highway  maintenance.  In                                                               
Alaska, motor  fuel taxes  are currently  deposited in  a special                                                               
highway-fuel-tax account within the general  fund (GF).  However,                                                               
the legislature  may appropriate these funds  for other purposes,                                                               
and  the sponsor  feels  that such  would  happen with  increased                                                               
motor  fuel  taxes,  he  additionally  relayed.    He  asked  the                                                               
committee to support the proposed committee substitute (CS).                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0239                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  moved to  adopt the  proposed CS  for HJR
20,   Version  23-LS0889\D,   Kurtz,   4/2/03,   as  amended   by                                                               
handwritten  changes,  as  the  work   draft.    There  being  no                                                               
objection, Version D, as amended, was before the committee.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE, after  ascertaining that  no one  else wished  to                                                               
testify on HJR 20, closed public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS asked:   "How  much do  we spend  in road                                                               
dollars now, as opposed to what  we collect?  Is it a moneymaker,                                                               
above and beyond?"                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. MUSSER replied:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Presently, no.   Actually, there's serious deficiencies                                                                    
     to  the  tune   of  ...  $30  million,   based  on  the                                                                    
     Department   of  Transportation's   annual  maintenance                                                                    
     needs versus what  we fund currently.   As submitted in                                                                    
     the governor's  bill ... increasing the  ... fuels tax,                                                                    
     the  estimated revenue  ...  would  generate about  $69                                                                    
     million, about $9 million over  what the department had                                                                    
     estimated  were the  annual maintenance  needs.   And I                                                                    
     understand an  amendment was made in  the House Finance                                                                    
     Committee that reduced that ... anticipated revenue.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE   asked,  "Philosophically,  what  would   be  the                                                               
rational for  dedicating funds in this  area when we don't  do it                                                               
for  many other  well-deserving areas  such as  public safety  or                                                               
education?"                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MUSSER replied:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The  sponsor  feels  that  ...   that  is  a  very  ...                                                                    
     philosophical  and difficult  issue.   Typically, motor                                                                    
     fuel taxes are designed for  that purpose.  And in fact                                                                    
     ...,  currently, the  revenue  does go  into a  highway                                                                    
     revenue fund  within the GF and  typically allocated to                                                                    
     the  department  to  meet  our   needs.    But  it's  a                                                                    
     substantial change;  ... she  feels that because  it is                                                                    
     more than a doubling of  tax receipts ... for that, and                                                                    
     because of  the volume of traveling  between the valley                                                                    
     and  Anchorage and  the commuters  and the  amount that                                                                    
     would  be  paid,  that  the  public  should  have  some                                                                    
     assurances that that's what it's  going to be used for,                                                                    
     that the  legislature would not  come in  and determine                                                                    
     that other needs  may exist and want to  short fund our                                                                    
     highway maintenance program.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0502                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE asked  why not do it for alcohol  or tobacco taxes,                                                               
so that those  user fees are dedicated  specifically for purposes                                                               
of cessation  or treatment  of health problems  that stem  out of                                                               
those substances?                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MUSSER replied:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     That question  was raised and even  discussed, and that                                                                    
     was ... an example.  As  you know, when the tobacco tax                                                                    
     was  substantially increased  just  a  couple of  years                                                                    
     ago, during  that debate and adoption  of the increase,                                                                    
     a percentage ... [of] about  20-22 percent or so was to                                                                    
     be expressly  utilized for  tobacco-cessation programs,                                                                    
     for  ... youth  education  and efforts,  and what  have                                                                    
     you.  And, obviously, there  are those within the anti-                                                                    
     tobacco  area that  feel that  the  legislature is  not                                                                    
     living up to an agreement,  which led to the support of                                                                    
     that increase.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     And the same  was said just last year  with the alcohol                                                                    
     tax  increase, that  levels of  funding would  be used.                                                                    
     ... And  that sort  of gets, really,  to the  issue ...                                                                    
     [of] this  debate:  ... should  perhaps the legislature                                                                    
     consider changing  ... prior  ... policy  ... decisions                                                                    
     and  say,   "Yes,  we  want  to   ensure  that  highway                                                                    
     maintenance (indisc.)  are met, and ...  we're going to                                                                    
     do  this."    And  that  really is  the  heart  of  the                                                                    
     question.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON offered his  belief that the Alaska State                                                               
Constitution isn't so  sacred that it can't be changed.   He said                                                               
he  does not  know why  funds  aren't dedicated;  he indicated  a                                                               
desire  to  have dedicated  funds,  and  relayed that  he'd  been                                                               
opposed to the  increase in alcohol tax because it  goes into the                                                               
"pot" and not to help related programs.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MUSSER, in  response to  questions, relayed  that 39  states                                                               
currently  expressly  dedicate  motor fuel  receipts  to  highway                                                               
maintenance  and  operation, and  that  all  50 states  have  the                                                               
intent to dedicate  those funds.  He noted that  the delegates to                                                               
the constitutional  convention extensively debated the  issue [of                                                               
dedicated funds], and  looked at Texas, which at the  time had 90                                                               
percent of  its revenue dedicated,  as an example.   The question                                                               
is whether  to begin dedicating  funds, or to continue  with what                                                               
the framers  of the constitution  intended, that  the legislature                                                               
have the flexibility  to "make the annualized policy  calls."  He                                                               
relayed   that  the   sponsor  feels   very  strongly   that  the                                                               
constitution should be amended for this particular purpose.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0825                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS, after noting  that some departments don't                                                               
generate  revenue  sufficient  to  meet their  needs,  asked  Mr.                                                               
Musser  whether he  thought that  other  departments should  have                                                               
their revenues dedicated.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MUSSER said  he  could not  speak for  the  sponsor on  that                                                               
issue,  which, he  added, is  at  the heart  of the  debate.   He                                                               
remarked,  however,  that it  appears  as  though, to  date,  the                                                               
legislature has  felt that  funds should  not be  dedicated, that                                                               
there is a greater diversity of needs that warrant allocation of                                                                
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said that this issue raises a concern:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     That  there's some  programs where  there's a  parallel                                                                    
     tax, and we  can say, "Okay, well let's put  all of the                                                                    
     revenue  from  that area  into  these  programs."   But                                                                    
     there are  some programs where there's  no relevant tax                                                                    
     - no  relevant source  of money. ...  So, let's  say we                                                                    
     dedicate  all  motor fuel  money  to  highways and  all                                                                    
     cigarette tax  money to  health care,  ... but  then we                                                                    
     have  all  these other  unfunded  things  like ...  the                                                                    
     hiring  of  social  workers  and  foster  care  or  the                                                                    
     funding of schools.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ...  Should  we  not  be concerned  that  if  we  start                                                                    
     dedicating  money  to  specific  programs,  not  enough                                                                    
     money  will  be  left  for the  areas  where  we  don't                                                                    
     dedicate?  I think that  was largely the concern of the                                                                    
     [framers] when  they said, "Look, in  Texas, 90 percent                                                                    
     of their  money is dedicated;  with the ten  percent of                                                                    
     the   money  that's   left,  [they]   don't  have   the                                                                    
     discretion  to   fund  all   the  things   that  aren't                                                                    
     dedicated."  ...  What  are  your  thoughts  [on  these                                                                    
     points]?                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MUSSER replied:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Again, I  can only come  back to, "That's the  heart of                                                                    
     the debate."  Our [framers]  ... felt expressly that it                                                                    
     would   be  poor   public  policy   to  hamstring   the                                                                    
     legislature's  authority  to  allocate  or  appropriate                                                                    
     funds   deemed   appropriate    by   the   legislature.                                                                    
     Dedicating  this  revenue   takes  that  authority  and                                                                    
     decision-making  ability away  from  this  body. ...  I                                                                    
     can't speak to whether that's  right or wrong; ... that                                                                    
     is certainly up to the committee ... to look at that.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1100                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked whether the funds HJR 20 proposes to                                                                  
dedicate would also be spent on road construction.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. MUSSER said the funds would only be for "maintenance and                                                                    
operation."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA,  remarking  that the  legislature  wouldn't                                                               
want  to dedicate  more  money  than is  spent  for a  particular                                                               
purpose, asked whether any calculations  have been done regarding                                                               
the estimated  revenues from the governor's  proposed increase in                                                               
motor fuel  taxes and  the estimated  spending for  operation and                                                               
maintenance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MUSSER  reiterated  that  the estimate  is  $69  million  in                                                               
revenue and $60  million in operation and maintenance  costs.  He                                                               
suggested that the legislature could  decide to reduce the tax so                                                               
as not to have a surplus in a dedicated fund.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG  asked  about  taxation of  marine  fuel  and                                                               
aviation fuel.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MUSSER  said that including  those taxes was  considered, but                                                               
[the sponsor]  decided against doing  so.  He mentioned  that the                                                               
marine  fuel tax  account  was meant  to  augment marine  highway                                                               
operations, but that  the sponsor would be  amenable to including                                                               
"all consumptive fuel taxes ... except aviation."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS noted  that there  are a  lot of  federal                                                               
guidelines regarding  what can and  cannot be done  with aviation                                                               
[fuel] taxes.   In addition, if a local  community taxes aviation                                                               
fuel, the  taxes must  be spent on  its municipal  airport rather                                                               
than a  state-owned airport.   On  the issue  of whether  to take                                                               
away the  legislature's authority  to appropriate funds  from the                                                               
motor fuel  tax account,  he indicated that  if the  oil revenues                                                               
continue  to  decline,  the  legislature  might  have  to  choose                                                               
between funding  schools or  fixing roads.   He  pondered whether                                                               
creating a  dedicated fund as  proposed by  HJR 20 would  be good                                                               
public policy.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1440                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MUSSER  said that  it is because  of declining  revenues that                                                               
the  sponsor  feels  it  is  important  for  the  legislature  to                                                               
consider the  express use  of these funds  for the  operation and                                                               
maintenance  of  highways  and  roads,  which  are  used  by  all                                                               
Alaskans.    In   response  to  a  question,   he  indicated  his                                                               
understanding that the  funds specified in HJR 20  would not used                                                               
for capital costs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE suggested that such  would be a detriment, and that                                                               
there  ought to  at  least  be some  leeway  to  spend funds  for                                                               
capital costs.   Notwithstanding  that point, she  indicated that                                                               
she would support advancing the legislation from committee                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1522                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON  moved to  report  the  CS for  HJR  20,                                                               
Version  23-LS0889\D, Kurtz,  4/2/03, as  amended by  handwritten                                                               
changes,  out of  committee with  individual recommendations  and                                                               
the accompanying  fiscal note.   There being no  objection, CSHJR
20(JUD)   was  reported   from  the   House  Judiciary   Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      

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